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Australian Aviation Thread # 61  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30909 times:

Hello and welcome to Australian Aviation Thread # 61. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Canberra's renewed pushed for International services
* Fiji wrests control of Air Pacific from Qantas
* Aerolineas Argentinas confirms it will commence nonstop services to SYD in the middle of the year
* Qantas 747-400 aircraft retirements
* RedQ - what's its future
* Qantas and Jetstar operations
* Virgin Australia fares
* EVA Air to operate charter services to SYD in July and looking at increasing BNE services
* Skytrans confirms its Toowoomba-Sydney services (02JUL start), with fares now on sale
* Etihad Airways mentions once again its looking at PER and looking at increasing BNE flights
* Air Australia/Strategic Airlines - planned routes
* Qantas announces a new once weekly, 73H service from Sydney to Newman from May
* Virgin Australia takes delivery of its first new A330-200 VH-XFC
* Jetstar Japan receives its AOC - fares go on sale
* Possible new routes for the Virgin A330s down the track
* International flight offerings from Perth
* Virgin Australia to suspend Gold Coast-Townsville services in May
* Kenya Airways plans to launch PER in FY2016/2017 with 787s
* Continued strong growth at Brisbane especially, especially domestically
* The future of the Australian Aviation market
* Tiger Airways to resume Melbourne-Hobart from November 2012

Australian Aviation Thread # 60

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30954 times:

Of interest:

Australian Federation of Air Pilots - Source

Quote:

J31/32 Flight Crews

A new consumer airline is actively expanding into the Australian regular public transport (RPT) and charter operations. With a fleet of Jetstream series aircraft (31/32) type aircraft our bases include Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

We are currently seeking J31/32 flight crew for positions within the next few months.

Continues...

 


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 30898 times:

I was suprised to see that Alliance flight attendants and pilots are now wearing Virgin Australia uniform.


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 30814 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 2):
I was suprised to see that Alliance flight attendants and pilots are now wearing Virgin Australia uniform.

Skywest crews on the AT7s are as well. On these "franchise" routes DJ seemed to have gone for a totally integrated product a la QantasLink

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):

Not an airline I would claim to be familiar with   



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 30769 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Not an airline I would claim to be familiar with   

I think the gmail email address says it all...


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 297 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 30511 times:

For Townsville spotters
NZ to operate 77W charter through TSV 26th April
NZ6063 AKL 0605 BNE 0745
NZ1963 BNE 0920 TSV 1100
NZ6064 TSV 1210 AKL 1800
At this stage to be operated by ZK-OKP


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 30443 times:

Around 17 deiversions to BNE due to fog in SYD. 4 A380'S on the deck a new record here.

User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 30355 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 6):
Around 17 deiversions to BNE due to fog in SYD. 4 A380'S on the deck a new record here.

Also QF had diversions to CNS and ADL

QF2 found it's way to ADL

QF130 found it's way to CNS



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 30352 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 6):
Around 17 deiversions to BNE due to fog in SYD. 4 A380'S on the deck a new record here.

Great spotting I bet. Where were they all parked to handle that many additional flights? Given that MEL had fog related issues too that would not have helped.

I know that its great seeing 3 X daily A380s is MEL each day, which will be 4 X daily in Oct with EK. Certainly fills up the airport so BNE really would have been packed on top of its normal schedule.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 30251 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 7):
QF2 found it's way to ADL

Which makes me ask what the four at BNE were?

I would have thought:

QF-LAX
QF-LHR
SQ
EK

So if QF2 went to ADL where did the fourth pop up from   

And is ADL even A380 ready?



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 30211 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
So if QF2 went to ADL where did the fourth pop up from

Have no idea on that issue

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
And is ADL even A380 ready?

I handles 330's okay as well all know, I'm not sure if their aerobridges wold go high enough to allow pax to disembark. But in saying that, generally in these scenario's, the passengers have to stay on board the aircraft, from what I have been told, (and I would love feedback if contrary to this) that it is up to Australian Customs and Immigration to allow the passengers to disembark. Once QF (or any airline AFAIK) arriving into an international port, they need permission from immigration of that country to allow the passengers to disembark.



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User currently offlineAuchmithie From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 30205 times:

BNE A380s were:

A6-EDP EK412 Sydney diversion
9V-SKI SQ221 Sydney diversion
VH-OQC QF12 Sydney diversion
VH-OQB QF94 Melbourne diversion


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 30204 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
And is ADL even A380 ready?

Ask Joe Hockey MP, who was tweeting on the flight   Apparently ADL only has one A380 tug so there was some delay (but I am only taking this off one quick 140 character tweet, most likely not 100% correct).

Wish I had been in BNE this morning, would have been a very very busy morning!


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 30165 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 8):

Well believe it or not i have seen BNE worse than this on 1 or 2 other occasions.

BNE now has 15 parking stands at the ITB soon 17, plus 6 at the old ITB plus the old runway and taxyway at the old airport so basically today there was possibly 32-35 aircraft on the deck at the international terminal plus the old terminal and the old runway and taxyway including the parked aircraft such as HI fly 343,Heavylift 734F,Solomons A320 and Mineralogy MD-82'S and Aviation Australia 727F .

Yes BNE still had it's own aircraft there such as EK,BR,EY,2SQ,4 QF,PX,NZ,


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 29806 times:

Sounds like it was another interesting day in the skies, with more SYD fog issues.

---

I have started a thread about TT and its future direction in the forum. Please feel free to post with your ideas. The link is below:

Tiger Australia : Whats Its Future Direction? (by IndianicWorld Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 29457 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

The diversions this morning were'nt as bad as the previous morning,Most of the early International flights made it in before the fog became serious problem,From memory I think 1x United,V Australia,Delta and couple QF flights diverted to BNE and Vietnam went to MEL,It was interesting hearing the Delta triple 7 since it was impossible to visually see do 2 attempts at landing and performing 2 missed approaches,Sounded quite nice!

Cheers Mark


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 29121 times:

By chance flew on a Sky Interior 737 yesterday (my first one) and was really blown away by it.

The BSI overhead bins make the entire cabin feel at least 50% wider while the LCD strips along the roof somehow make it seem much longer than a standard 738. She really felt like a "big" plane.

I'm a huge fan of mood lighting and since it was a dark outside I got to appreciate that in all its glory.

The IFE is a great add. The choice was more than sufficient for domestic/Tasman flights, although I must admit it did seem a bit of an overkill for SYD-CBR!

I really like the new seats, but I have two questions about them:

(1) are they narrower than QF's standard 737 seats? It's just I noticed that my big glided down the aisle whereas normally I end up bumping into every second row, suggesting that the aisle was wider.

(2) I thought QF were planning to introduce red seat covers on the domestic fleet in order to harmonise short-haul and long-haul aircraft from a customer perspective. This brand new bird, however, had the usual grey seat covers.

Now I'm on a roll, I thought the new business class seats looked really good. When I first saw pictures of the red leather I immediately thought "Virgin", but it is actually a much darker shade of red and looks quite luxurious!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 29090 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):

I also liked it, but didn't love it. I found the bins to be almost compressing inwards (hard to explain), making the space feel much more claustrophobic to me than with the older shelf bins. But it's definitely a huge improvement over the old interiors.

My experience was on a VA plane (totally lucked out, this was only a few days after she was introduced last year), so can't comment on the seats. A lot of people seem to be commenting that the seats feel narrower, so it seems that they probably are. The additional width in the aisle might be caused by thinner sidewalls though?

With regards to the seat covers -- has this ever actually been announced by QF? I know that there were rumours, yet they continue to take new aircraft with the grey fabric. Perhaps this is just limited to J?

The IFE is great. Makes a massive difference to have a system that matches (and exceeds) many long haul products on such short flights (aside from the absence of films -- these are made visible on longer flights though, and the selection is good, 12-14 choices IIRC).


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28469 times:

Yesterday BNE based JetGo Airlines did their final AOC proving flight and i was fortunate enough to be one of the participating pax on the flight.

Well done JetGo as they passed this flight.JetGo will be a FIFO and charter carrier and will operate the ERJ 135 aircraft.


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28209 times:

Quoting aussie18 (Reply 15):
The diversions this morning were'nt as bad as the previous morning,Most of the early International flights made it in before the fog became serious problem,From memory I think 1x United,V Australia,Delta and couple QF flights diverted to BNE and Vietnam went to MEL,It was interesting hearing the Delta triple 7 since it was impossible to visually see do 2 attempts at landing and performing 2 missed approaches,Sounded quite nice!

Don't forget...Virgin Atlantic A340-600 was also in the Brisbane airport (from aussie aviation forum).



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User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 28110 times:

Today QF B747-400 VH-OJB, delivered on the 5th September 1989, has her last revenue service flight, QF107 SYD-LAX, before heading to VCV.

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 5760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 28082 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 20):
Today QF B747-400 VH-OJB, delivered on the 5th September 1989, has her last revenue service flight, QF107 SYD-LAX, before heading to VCV.

Then what is going to operated QF108 tonight and where is it coming from?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 28071 times:

VA has released the first photos/details of their new lie-flat A330 seats. Details here.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 21):
Then what is going to operated QF108 tonight and where is it coming from?

QF108 will operate using the inbound QF11 A380. QF12 is not operating today. This is what usually happens when they send a 744 to VCV, as QF108 cannot operate as a terminating LAX flight.

[Edited 2012-04-24 22:56:03]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 27996 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 7):

QF108 diverted to NOU on Monday 23/04...

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 20):

Funny enough the aircraft nearly didn't go today as planned with engineering issues...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):

Let's not forget not all retiring aircraft operate as QF107... The last B744 retirement was ferried direct to VCV... While on the subject VH-TJU is off to the desert tomorrow...

The 1st QF A380 VH-OQD to under go reconfiguration will be ferried to MNL on the 29/04...

EK413

[Edited 2012-04-24 23:49:54]


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User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 27957 times:

Virgin Australia releases details of their Factory fresh A330-200 (J Class seat lie angled flat seat and Red Entertainment system with USB ports for all classes)......

http://www.ausbt.com.au/first-pics-v...-lie-flat-seats-on-new-airbus-a330

Virgin Australia also start testing Samsung Galaxy 10.1 Tabs for J class 737 Guests this week.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austr...ing-samsung-galaxy-android-tablets

Also Melbourne Airport Virgin Austraia Terminal 3 - refurbishment begins 01 May2012........a la look of Brisbane......


25 qf002 : This is true. They only move the flights around when an aircraft goes onto VCV after operating a commercial service... Is this the 14F/60J/32W/378Y r
26 IndianicWorld : Good news. It's about time they got around to it.
27 EK413 : Have mentioned the new configuration in a new thread 14F / 64J / 35W / 371Y... EK413
28 TruemanQLD : Interesting article I read today, that, naturally, I can no longer find that talks about upcoming confrontation between QF and DJ and how, if DJ does
29 eaglefarm4 : DJ will just keep snapping at their heels and slowly reduce their lead month by month .
30 gemuser : To a point, that is true, but IF AJ gets the current "attitude restructure" completed, look out! If he doesn't, oh well 95-100 years was a good run.
31 TruemanQLD : Don't quite think it is that dramatic :P But I wouldnt be surprised if QF starts to 'fight back' soon and try to stop DJ's expansion. Whether this is
32 gemuser : I do for international services, at least. Look at Air Canada, see the slow decline thread for what COULD happen to QF if the "attitude restructure"
33 TruemanQLD : True, but did AC ever undertake that attitude restructure? I mean, at least QF is on the way and, for sure, if the attitude restructure doesn't work
34 gemuser : I think it's quite possible that if the restructure does not work QF is 60-75% likely to totally exit the international market place and become just
35 Post contains links jetfuel : http://ansettairlines.com.au/
36 RyanairGuru : Que? I thought today to ask on her something I've been wondering for a while ... not sure why it didn't occur to me before! During the industrial act
37 EK413 : Another QF B744 retirement with VH-OJP departing on 10/06 as QF107 SYD-LAX and ferry off to VCV on the 11/06 as QF6021... EK413
38 Post contains links Sydscott : IS this the one you mean? http://m.smh.com.au/travel/blogs/tra...ood-the-market-20120430-1xtwv.html
39 thegeek : Not quite. The 737 fleet work to the award which came out of TAA/Australian, the 767, A330 and 747 fleet work to an award which dates back to when Qa
40 ADDICT4QF : QF B747-400 VH-OJU is going into reconfiguration to A380 seating early next week and VH-OEE coming out of reconfiguration shortly after.
41 RyanairGuru : Thanks for that, it all makes sense. So the group which were in dispute with management were the 767/330/747 crew?
42 Sydscott : Yup. Now imagine, if you will, that Qantas hadn't pulled the stunt they did to end Industrial Action by the Pilots. The short haul EBA is up for nego
43 Post contains images VH-BZF : Yeah thats smart, what would that have achieved? This has been discussed to to death, but AJ did the best thing to bring an end to the damaging indus
44 mikey86 : There is also talk of EK looking into expanding ADL services (According to the TravelDaily this week). I know there has been speculation before on thi
45 mikey86 : Also, does anyone know how long DJ are going to be co-operating with Alliance Airlines, seems to be a down grade on the services that Alliance Airline
46 qf002 : Extension of a PER service has been speculated here -- could that work? SIN seems more likely to me to work, given they would be able to pick up loca
47 Bluebird191 : Appears to be atleast into January - I booked a trip to Cairns on Monday and on December 28 for my BNE-CNS flight I had the option of booking onto DJ
48 eaglefarm4 : 12 months initially i have heard with possibility of a extension.
49 Sydscott : It would have achieved more bargaining leverage for the pilots. If you have a whole work group with the ability to walk out that's much more of a thr
50 mikey86 : Extension of PER, wouldn't that take away seats from the PER runs? ADL would work in my opinion via SIN. Would be interesting if they then extended t
51 eaglefarm4 : Why not via BKK as it would open up another market for ADL .
52 NZ107 : They have no more rights at this stage for trans-Tasman flights. They've used up their existing quota of 28x weekly.
53 AJ : ...and the A380 Flight Crew, the Long Haul Pilot EBA covers A380, A330, B747 and B767.
54 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : More Queensland flights with Alliance F100'S operating for Qantaslink on BNE-EMD. http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/may-2012/5395/glob
55 TruemanQLD : In bed with both VA and QF... interesting... (though, now I remember, this has been the case for a while). Good to see Regional QLD is getting some c
56 eaglefarm4 : Also VA are increasing BNE from 3 a day weekdays to 5 a day by 11 June with the ATR's .Lot's more competition again.
57 flyjetstar : The West Australian has a report that NZ will announce this week that AKL-PER will change to a 777 and be daily from October.
58 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ About time too. Should be a strong market for them. PER really is starting to make a big impression with International services. BNE better watch o
59 eaglefarm4 : BNE will be getting a new FIFO terminal shortly.It will be just south of the current Virgin terminal .Announcement shortly. More ATR flights to be ann
60 IndianicWorld : BNE has een really benefiting from the QF and VA battle to gain more ground, especially in the regional space. How long this goes on is a big question
61 Ben175 : Good thing I'm booked to make my inaugural NZ flight on PER-AKL in July, I think the NZ 763's look absolutely incredible with the winglets. Not compl
62 IndianicWorld : ^^ I see PER, MEL and BNE as markets ripe for NRT/HND service. Out of those: - PER with VA signalling possible Asian expansion, you never know. It mus
63 Boeing767-300 : Does anybody know that with 738 VH-VZZ entering service last week what the next 738 will be registered. VH-Y??
64 eaglefarm4 : BNE is not pushing it slightly at all. As i keep saying the Qld Govt is pushing BNE-TYO is the number one route they need to restart.If subsidies are
65 koruman : Why? The leisure traffic must be 95% inbound package tourists from Japan who are headed to the Gold Coast - and who will obviously stick with the Gol
66 eta unknown : And would the subsidy be anything more generous than the per pax rebate percentage of the departure tax?
67 9MMPD : According in Aus Aviation it will be VH-XZA
68 IndianicWorld : The Vic govt has been pushing for Sth African service resumption as a top priority too, but whats that got them so far? It means zip without an airli
69 RyanairGuru : I agree. While Brisbane is a fantastic place to live - I'll go out on a limb and say the best city I've ever lived in - it does have little to offer
70 Post contains images BNE : I would really appreciate a BNE-NRT route, there must be some demand for freight and passengers. It would be nice if ANA were to fly the route with on
71 QF175 : Air New Zealand will upgrade its existing AKL-PER service from 767-300s to 777-200s from 03SEP12. This results in an extra 70 seats per service and th
72 Post contains links QF175 : VIRGIN AUSTRALIA Ski-season capacity boost for Queenstown – more Tasman and domestic flights Source The domestic NZ ZQN growth will come in the form
73 pilotdude09 : Beats QF hands down now!! Tried to fly via NZ on QF and LAN previously to get the Skybed then their J seat.....finally NZ we have a proper lie flat!
74 Sydscott : Interesting. I note from the QF timetable that more than half of their Services are on Jetstar and that Brisbane is a weekly service vs VA's daily se
75 Post contains links and images QF175 : Qantas and Virgin Australia are currently locked in a Premium Cabin air fare war, with some huge savings to be had. As an example, Virgin Australia is
76 eta unknown : I'm ecstatic to report the BNE static Heavylift 737-400F has moved!!! Don't know if it's been towed someplace else on the airport or shock horror- it
77 eaglefarm4 : Why are you ecstatic ETA unknown .It is actually leaving the country and should be in the Boeing hangar.SAD however wait for the drum roll a DC8-73F w
78 jetfuel : QF 27 in Christchurch this evening following an inflight medical emergency enroute Sydney - Santiago after fuel dump
79 Bluebird191 : I know its early days with the DC-8 announcement, but is there an anticipated schedule in/out BNE for this classic bird as yet? Haven't seen a DC-8 a
80 eta unknown : Eagle- airplanes are supposed to fly- not be billboards!
81 eaglefarm4 : Correct eta unknown,i thought you were happy it was going permanently . Bluebird 191 far too early for any schedule but the plan is SIN-BNE-POM-SIN.
82 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Good scoop. Personally I'm more interested in the $85/95 lead in fares, but $299 for J is very cheap. I was thinking that I've almost payed that much
83 Post contains images QF175 : According to an article in the 17MAY12 edition of TravelDaily, Air Austral is reportedly poised to axe its recently reinstated Saint Denis - Sydney -
84 IndianicWorld : ^^ What a shock... Not! It should have been cut long ago.
85 eta unknown : Yes- it's confirmed on the Air Austral web site: RUN-SYD-NOU to go. RUN-BKK will remain, but operate via Chennai with a 738. All other long distance r
86 IndianicWorld : ^^ Did they finally decide to start operating as a business? Taken them long enough. Not a big loss for SYD as it's loads were anything but good.
87 qf002 : I thought this had already been announced and confirmed?? In Jnauary or February?? Shame though! I was really looking forward to trying out their offe
88 IndianicWorld : ^^ They planned to cancel it but changed their mind and re-unstated it. Very odd decision, which was viewed mainly as as a political rather than busin
89 QF175 : In a joint statement with Xstrata, Virgin Australia has announced it will commence Brisbane - Mount Isa services in August, ending Qantas' monopoly on
90 Post contains links thegeek : http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au...atementDisplaySingle.aspx?id=79242 Doesn't make any sense.
91 Post contains links vhebb : Hi, Looks like the rumour of QF domestic getting the first 787-8s before JQ maybe coming true: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...-its-first-787s-
92 RyanairGuru : hmm ... I get the impression that Sandilands is grasping at straws and trying to "create" a story. QUOTE: "However it has become increasingly apparen
93 Post contains links allrite : Qantas ceasing heavy maintenance at Tullamarine, sending most of it to Brisbane and retaining Avalon for 747 heavy maintenance: media release. What's
94 sydscott : I swear I read an announcement/article with Bruce Buchanan saying JQ had started its initial preparations for 787 delivery. I agree, I think he's try
95 RyanairGuru : Lufthansa Technic in FRA and SIA Maintenance in SIN look after the A380s. Personally I would be surprised to see the 787s at HAECO or someplace simil
96 qf002 : If QF took any 787-8's, then I'd have thought they would be for international. JQ could take 10 or so frames, returning at least 7-8 A332's to QF dom
97 allrite : I very much doubt that Jetstar Asia is based in Singapore due to cost alone. It hasn't become more expensive overnight. I can see more support servic
98 sydscott : JQ and JQ Asia already fly from MNL to both KIX and NRT although not daily. MNL is supposedly a price sensitive, lower yielding market which JQ is pe
99 thegeek : Fully agree. Otherwise the benefit of the plane will be largely wasted. 787s are only marginally lighter per seat than A330s and using them on shorte
100 gemuser : They could do a cabin refurbishment on the A330s for domestic service (to the latest possible international standard and put the B788s on internation
101 IndianicWorld : From what I read today, some 767 and 737 maintenance will also be handled at AVV. I guess they will see how the overall mx operation handles the dema
102 EK413 : Maintenance is carried out in FRA while reconfiguration in MNL... EK413
103 qf002 : Why not? QF will need to overhaul the JQ birds as they come back to QF anyway (IFE, new seats etc), so they can do whatever they want with them. In a
104 Post contains images JQflightie : VH-EBA-F are in the old config, whilst the later VH-EBJ/K are in QF config without the panasonic IFE system, but VH-EBQ/R/S are in QF Domestic Config
105 Post contains images qf002 : That's 6 planes that will need new interiors, given their product is basically the same as the 767's today. J/K are in the same configuration as A-F.
106 ditzyboy : That is my understanding, too. From what I remember, EBJ & K were delivered with 34 J seats (and a rather wide left hand aisle!) and later change
107 Post contains links qf002 : Great news being reported by AusBT today -- JQ expects their first B787's next August. I guess this squashes Ben Sandiland's article from last week...
108 ZK-NBT : Hmm so will QF get some of the initial 788s at all? I was thinking if QF could get 6-7 of the initial 15 they could potentiall run the following some
109 Bluebird191 : The BNE-SIN routing is an A333 for part of the year - currently seeing the 744 on its seasonal upgauge. Both SIN and HKG services from BNE on QF conn
110 Truemanqld : I don't think we will see BNE-DFW until they can do SYD-DFW-SYD as well. Once they can drop the BNE stop, then they might switch. I also don't think
111 qf002 : I doubt it. Ben Sandilands' whole argument was based on the fact that JQ were apparently not getting themselves prepared for the 787, which this news
112 ZK-NBT : Yep, I can't see how they can unless they hold onto atleast an extra 3-4 744s. Agree the A333s should get a refit.
113 JQflightie : If QF did get a few 788's i think you would find that they would go to domestic first, before going to international...
114 ZK-NBT : Why? QF needs range they can replace the International A332s with 788s and move the A332s to Domestic IMO.
115 qf002 : It will certainly be interesting to see how they figure this out. IMO it makes far more sense for International to get them, in place of the 2 A380's
116 JQflightie : Its all about taking DJ head on. DJ put a A330 (when its working) on East-West flying, we put a B747 on East-West... you see where im going with this
117 ZK-NBT : I understand what you are saying but I don't 100% agree. Another sub fleet of which QF will eventually end up with a large 787 fleet of both 788s and
118 qf002 : Yep, and then QF pulled those 744's off that route less than a year later... I can see where you're going, but refurbished A332's from JQ/QF Intl are
119 TN486 : Can anyone confirm the flight detail of the 787 return flight SYD - MEL - SYD Sunday May 27 please
120 eta unknown : Nuh-uh. Now that the QF-SA codeshare is not being extended again, the route can't support daily service with just QF alone- it needs SA to fill a goo
121 strangr : anyone know what the load factor is on that DFW flight. I am flying to the USA next year and for the extra of having less people on the flight chance
122 qf002 : There will be daily QF services from Australia to JNB, be them from SYD or from a combination of SYD/PER, all the flights will need 744's. In any cas
123 kiwiandrew : Or vice versa, QF have been shying away from non-core routes in recent years and JNB is a *A hub way more than it is a OW hub.
124 eaglefarm4 : QFlink commenced their 2nd BNE based 717 today increasing flights and seats to GLT,ROK,MKY . Virgin also commenced a 4th BNE-GLT daily return weekday
125 RyanairGuru : I take it you are aware that about 60% of passengers leave QF8 in BNE? Sure, many of those will be connections but I really don't see why BNE is any
126 qf002 : That is very true. I would argue that QF is in the stronger position to take on most of the traffic though, and JNB is said to be me of their most pr
127 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I agree, of their "non-core" routes I would suggest that JNB is one of their strongest. I mean, jeez, looking at the fares from Aus to SA it damn wel
128 gemuser : That's actually a very trickie question. While the ACCC or whoever does not have to prove collusion, basic business reasonableness would go some way
129 qf002 : Absolutely yes. I'm not sure that such an unspoken agreement would ever come about thugh, given both airlines have stated that they depend too much o
130 Post contains links RyanairGuru : Good point, I'd forgotten that. If it weren't for ETOPS then I think that would be a great idea. However see PER-JNB&MS=wls&DU=mi&E=180"
131 Post contains links qf002 : Yeah, ETOPS is a big issue... I've figured it the necessary diversions for both 180 and 240 mins ops and it's not too bad for either. But it's still
132 RyanairGuru : You mean after CASA realise that it's the 21st Century? They could be waiting a very very long time for that...
133 JQflightie : What about BA (Comair) out of JNB, thats a fairly significant operation down there, i would say its all that bad as long as QF focus on a stronger co
134 weebie : PER will stay on the JHB market. Too much of a market there for it to be dropped.
135 Post contains images qf002 : Well there is that...
136 Post contains links 6thfreedom : reading reports about Jetstar potentially getting into trouble for using international crew on tag flights. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...cti
137 MilesDependent : Difference is mining companies cannot find staff to work at the mines. I suspect, there would be loads & loads of Australians who would want to w
138 eta unknown : The Heavylift 737-400F static billboard has returned to it's former resting position at BNE...
139 Post contains images RyanairGuru : "The Fair Work Ombudsman alleges Jetstar Airways was knowingly a party to underpayment contraventions," the ombudsman said. "It alleges Jetstar roster
140 ZuluAlpha : Awww, that's a shame, I was really looking forward to seeing the DC8 that was mentioned earlier, would have loved to have seen and heard the DC8 comi
141 eaglefarm4 : The 737F will leave on 4 june for MEL then to South America. The DC8F is independent of this . Cheers.
142 FlyboyOz : Some foreign airlines also use asian crew to work on their domestic flights few years ago.
143 ZuluAlpha : Thanks eaglefarm for the update. I can get my camera out when it does arrive then. Any idea when it is due to arrive?
144 EK413 : Hope JQ is heavily fined for performing such a low act... Rostering foreign crew knowingly... EK413
145 Post contains images JQflightie : We, QF, currently have released a new 'Olympic' team Safety Demo, with various Olympians and Para-Olympians starring in the safety demo! its actually
146 777boi : Excellent news that VA are starting ISA... Even with just the news that they are starting the route has forced Qantas to already drop their prices! A
147 6thfreedom : did you book with DJ, or with QF? always amazes me when people cry out for competition to lower fares, but continue to fly with the incumbent which s
148 777boi : I booked with QF coz my dates are b4 the VA start up dates!!! Just glad there is some competion on the route.... More options and more competitive far
149 qf002 : Nope, the old planes will keep the ex-EK product. A bit of a shame... And the prices will go right back up after the first month of competition.
150 eaglefarm4 : I couldn't agree more 6thfreedom.Well said.
151 Truemanqld : Etihad has taken a 4pc stake in Virgin Australia Also, Qantas profits are down significantly
152 sunrisevalley : What diversion distance did you use? These vary by aircraft type. For example the 180-min for the 77E is 1249nm and for the 77W 1291nm.
153 sunrisevalley : What diversion points are available across the Indian Ocean? Is CCK one of them?
154 gemuser : Not many! There is MRU, RUN, CCK and XCH. I'd want to check field length & runway strength for CCK & XCH before I went in to much detail. MRU
155 qf002 : I just used the GC Mapper feature... I'd have thought CCK would be alright for an A330/787. The runway is 2.5km long, and has handled military traffi
156 gemuser : Up to P3s AFAIK, Hercs, Caribous even C-17 & C-5s really don't count for comparisons with airliners. It's runway strength I wonder about, not len
157 thegeek : I think TNR also, but it doesn't have a large catchment. I think there could be some smaller, better located airports which would work for an A330 or
158 gemuser : A bit too far west IMHO. ??? Don't get your meaning. Do you mean in Madagascar or where? Gemuser
159 thegeek : Yes.
160 Post contains images Truemanqld : All JQ/TT/DJ flights currently cancelled out of SYD, baggage handlers are refusing to work in the strong wind. I got this off Twitter, so don't if its
161 Truemanqld : With recent murmurs and whisperings that EK might invest in QF Domestic, what would this mean for QF as a whole? If EK did invest substantially in QF
162 Post contains links Quokkas : Alan Joyce issued a statement saying that separation of QFD and QFI would not lead to establishing a business open to investment. He specifically rej
163 Truemanqld : Ah now I feel stupid, but surely EK could we still invest in QF as a whole? Would secure QF future, and would allow EK access to SYD-LAX routes (obvi
164 sunrisevalley : The VA route puzzled me. Their timetable time compared to QF's didn't make sense to me based on a statement that they crossed near Geralton and heade
165 anstar : As far as I am aware the rumour only came from one source and has been discounted by EK and QF.
166 Truemanqld : Quick question, I was under the impression all QF trans-tasman services were operated by JetConnect (except one, MEL-AKL maybe?) but on the QF website
167 qf002 : Qantas operates: QF141/114 SYD-AKL -- this used to be tied into the A332 serivce AKL-LAX. QF121/122 SYD-ZQN -- probably due to the lack of crews at Z
168 ZK-NBT : South African daily to PER from Mid August with A343s i've seen reported elsewhere.
169 Post contains images Truemanqld : Ok so the website is wrong then... thanks What is it currently? I am still waiting for the final final verdict that QF/SA won't be able to cooperate
170 Truemanqld : Ok, another question. Since when was QF a partner of Virgin America? (http://www.virginamerica.com/travel/flight-routes.html) How do they cooperate?
171 ZK-NBT : 6 weekly. SA did say they would use their freed up capacity from dropping CPT-LHR to increase flights elsewhere, PER was one of the places mentioned
172 Truemanqld : I think they (QF) will do daily SYD stopping 3 x weekly in PER, at least initially. Could we see SA do similar, and maybe extend PER flight to SYD 3
173 qf002 : 5 weekly A346, 1 weekly A343. It's also very common to see it operated by the A342 in the low season. How strange... It's just an interline deal thou
174 kiwiandrew : I can't see it. Unlike QF, SA would not be able to top up such a flight with domestic pax. I would have thought that if SA went back to SYD they woul
175 eta unknown : Heavylift 734F finally flew yesterday- now in MEL. I can't find any info on subsidies...
176 Aussie_ : SA could do what MK has just done - operate just to PER and offer seamless codeshare connections on QF or VA (would be interesting to see who they cho
177 Post contains links RyanairGuru : Good God! Unfortunately your link doesn't work, but if you go to the "our partners" page it does list QF... http://www.virginamerica.com/travel/virgi
178 Post contains images ZuluAlpha :
179 thegeek : This was my understanding too re:ZQN FWIW.
180 IndianicWorld : SA would likely be wiser either looking to initiate an interline or codeshare agreement with VA/DJ for domestic connections into PER or commencing a 2
181 thegeek : What about the arrangements in PER for domestic/international transfers? My understanding is that it is worse than SYD/BNE. Would there be any merit
182 IndianicWorld : ^^ Good point. VA/DJ will be moving into a new pier at the International terminal at PER in coming years which will help, but in the time until then i
183 qf002 : A VA domestic tie up makes sense, I don't see them flying into MEL. There was a lot of discussion around the complete absence of a South African popu
184 Post contains links thegeek : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-1...antas-takeover-speculation/4065920 Interesting. I imagine VA or TT would be prevented from buying a voting stak
185 RyanairGuru : VA could probably buy up to 20% (?) but not anymore since IIRC that's the level which activates the takeover mechanisms TT is a 100% subsidiary of a
186 thegeek : I agree. You never know what might happen though - could be a consortium much like what used to own Optus.
187 Truemanqld : I personally would love to see a tie up between QF and another foreign airline, but not a hostile one. QF has a lot to offer, such as, arguably, the m
188 Post contains links smi0006 : Here is an interesting media release from Canberra airport: http://www.canberraairport.com.au/me...0releases/MediaRelease12_12Jun.pdf Just more plans
189 thegeek : And you aren't the only one, with QF and NZ seeking regulatory approval for this regarding trans tasman services a number of years ago. It was not gr
190 Post contains images qf002 : They flirted a bit about ten years ago -- they had a few codeshares on domestic services and some sort of maintenance deal I think, but when they tri
191 RyanairGuru : If it happens then that would be a fantastic scenario. But "if" is the operative clause. I still doubt the political will to build HSR, especially by
192 tayser : umm... yes that's the whole point. a private entity willing to pay for some of the most costly pieces of infrastructure in any HSR solution is the ri
193 qf002 : But the HSR will actively take traffic away from SYD and MEL. That's why SYD has so strongly and publicly stated that there is no need for a new airp
194 IndianicWorld : The HSR is a pipe dream. The cash is just not there, and likely won't be there for many, many years to come. Think of it this way, why bother investin
195 6thfreedom : Surprised it hasn't been picked up. China Southern Airlines has announced Guangzhou-Cairns services from November. any further details?
196 Post contains links aussie747 : It does not announce any particular date only sometime within the next few years http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2011/06/09/168421_local-news.html A
197 Truemanqld : Wow, would have thought they would have expanded BNE to at least daily before going to CNS, but thats good news for CNS!
198 eaglefarm4 : Mayby the CNS service possibly 3 a week will extend onto BNE making it Daily ???. A bit like CX do .Time will tell. We have a Saudia Arabian Airlines
199 koruman : Why? China-Queensland is going to be 90%+ inbound package tourists from China, and Cairns is their number 2 destination in Australia after Sydney, wh
200 eaglefarm4 : Koruman .My contacts at BNE airport are stating around 40-60 pax per flight outbound are non Chinese and growing. I flew CAN-BNE in October and there
201 eta unknown : The CZ goal for CAN-AKL/BNE flights is 75% to be originating from China. Wow- a JL 772 and SV 772 in one week- it's all happening in BNE!
202 weebie : Went on Murray St in PER yesterday. Looks like Batavia Air have set up a big office near the freeway. Must be coming into PER soon.
203 Truemanqld : Well, you have already been proved wrong on the first one, and secondly, you once again fail to recognise that it isn't true, or why would they have
204 sydscott : I'm actually surprised JQ aren't trying some sort of CNS-China service to get it's foot in the door with the inbound package market. Focusing on SIN-
205 Truemanqld : I take your point, but could this mainly be due to a lack of aircraft? SIN-OOL is a shame that TZ got their first, but JQ knew that TZ were coming, a
206 qf002 : QF's first reconfigured A380 has reentered service after almost 8 weeks in MNL. There seems to be some confusion between different outlets as to how Q
207 jetfuel : Scoot fail at OOL today. Plane went U/S and was grounded for 6 hours
208 airnewzealand : Here are the key changes Main Deck » Nine additional Economy seats, making 341 Economy seats on the Main Deck. This is made up of two additional Econ
209 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Not a good start. With an ageing fleet that Scoot are inhering from SQ, it may well be a common theme over time. It may well finally overtake the QF
210 TruemanQLD : And so it begins... Hardly surprising, just a matter of whether px deal with it If not 100%, then they should be disappointed considering fares were
211 IndianicWorld : Excellent point. The real fun will be in coming months when they have to start charging higher fares.
212 qf002 : Cheers. Just so long as 80A/K are still there!! TZ could have a dozen crashes a week and it would still attract fewer threads that QF making a stop f
213 jetfuel : 100% loads wont make a profits an the lowest fares. Word is they are having issues with forward bookings except for discounted fares.
214 IndianicWorld : ^^ Very true. Fully agree that yields are definitely more important. Very hard to tell but trying to take on D7 especially to OOL was a strange decisi
215 TruemanQLD : Never argued it did, was merely pointing out that the a/c will be full for a while. I think the whole model is flawed, but we need the tourists here
216 brad330 : JQ are to comence direct CNS-SIN from by the years end. Along with MU to CAN things are looking up for CNS! What ac will JQ use? 320, 321 or even 332?
217 EK413 : & how this was justified beats the hell outta me... An aircraft is out of service 8 weeks and only an extra 39 seats... Only way I see how it pay
218 Sydscott : I think you'll find that they will just de-couple the CNS-DRW-SIN service and make both a daily A320. There aren't any A332's spare for it at the mom
219 RyanairGuru : So that's 20 more than on my flight from BNE-HKG on CX then! Those figures are really good. I'm pretty certain that my flight wasn't particularly rep
220 brad330 : is CNS-HKG is doable with an A320?
221 TruemanQLD : But it is 'down season' (is it not?), so probably don't need the capacity, so would be flying around unprofitably anyway. I see your point, but there
222 jetfuel : no way and even CNS-SIN is going to be marginal
223 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 62 is now up and running!
224 6thfreedom : MU is shanghai, CZ is Guangzhou. 320s can't do China-Cairns. cathay's HKG-CNS sector 7hrs. Maybe 320neo in 2016? 320 can't make SIN. SIN-CNS is only
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